I wanted to answer the question at the bottom, but I didn’t make it in time, so I’ll make use of my hard work by posting my ideas in this question.
Yeah, Islam has given women so many rights. These are just some of the Islamic-style "freedoms, rights, and liberation" that I can think of:
-the right to feel she should bow down to her husband if she were to bow to a human
-the right to feel her gender is so inferior that most of the people in hell are female, like her
-the right to feel she is deficient in intelligence and religion because her prophet said she is
-the right to obey her husband, even if it brings her much sadness and longing in life because he refuses to allow her to do what she wants
-the right to get beaten if she behaves "badly"
-the right to not pray to her Creator for a quarter of the time because she is "dirty" and has a "disease"
-the right to only have friends that her husband approves (and what if he approves no one?)
-the right to be divorced for any reason, while she must plead her case before a judge for divorce and hope for relief
-the right to lose her children if she remarries
-the right to be cursed by the angels if she doesn’t submit to her husbands sexual advances
-the right to have to share her husband with countless women through marriage or captive sex slavery
-the right to be divorced because her father-in-law doesn’t like her
-the right to be perpetually pregnant because "no soul is born accept what Allah wills", so birth control is a sign of disbelief
-the right to be a "tilth" for her husband. Yes, I rather fancy being likened to a piece of farmland. Very liberating indeed!
-the right to nothing if she divorces her husband, even after years of financial sacrifice to raise their children and not work
-the right to swelter in the heat with her entire body covered and not participate in normal physical enjoyments outdoors because they are not feasible in such attire or due to modesty concerns, while her husband is free to show off his parts as he pretty well pleases
-the right to have her husband refuse sex because he is mad at her (oh, but if she does this, it’s an all-night angel cursing for her!)
-the right to have to marry someone she doesn’t necessarily want so that she can remarry her husband after a third divorce, while he who started the problem doesn’t have to do anything
-the right to have her husband lead her in prayer and life, even if she is far more suited to the task
-the right to travel only with male relative escorts so that she can miss out on any number of life opportunities when they are unwilling or unable to chaperone her
-the right to have her father/husband decide if she will work or go to school or not
-the right to have her father decide whether she can marry a person or not and when she will marry
Now, as to MY definition of freedom, rights, and liberation, you can go down the list above and change each statement to be its opposite and you will have a good idea of what my definitions are. Now, let’s pretend that all of these statements are about men instead. When you as a man are willing to have this same package of bs shoved down your throat as "Allah’s perfect way of life" for you, then we will see if you find a need to ask this question.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AmEbvvSYsDcbM7qAya2Zd3Xn7BR.;_ylv=3?qid=20090309140405AApS8Mj
BTW, I am a former American Muslim female convert who is finally liberated from all of this nonsense. Wake up people!!!
Yanar: I challenge you to prove even one of my points wrong. You are right to be upset with them, because they are bad rules to have to follow. Nevertheless, if you are Muslim you are supposed to. You can research every one of them as I did when I was a Muslim and you will find evidence in support of them. i challenge you to post EVIDENCE (as opposed to wishful thinking) to the contrary.
Taz: Looks like you need to crack open the Quran, hadith, Prophet’s last sermon, and the common fatawa more often! Same challenge as to above. All of these points have those sources. Look them up.
Truly it is I that is amazed that you don’t realize these are commonly known Islamic beliefs. Most of these ideas come straight from the hadith or Quran. I’m afraid you are the one without much knowledge in these matters. If you need help finding sources for them, email me.
marjan: This is not about my life. This is what ISLAM says. I wouldn’t have put up with most of this stuff in my life, even when I was a strong believer. An exception was the hijab and niqab which I unfortunately wore for many years, by my own choice.
baby mika- Studying things with a closed mind in favor of something will produce nothing but praise. I have been on both sides of this fence. I used to believe all of that "Islam liberates women" bs that you’ve apparently fallen for. Keep in mind that it swings both ways. You are closing your mind to what I am saying because you can’t admit that Islam has anything bad in it, even to yourself.
OMAR X: Call me crazy!! ![]()
Zahra: Your list has some truth in it as far as Islam goes, but it doesn’t tell the full story. For example, a woman should get an education, but what kind? Who decides how much and where? Not her. A woman gets the kids according to SOME scholars, but there is a clear hadith that the father has the better right to take them if she remarries. She has the right to keep her money, yes, but her husband has the right to tell her she can’t work outside the home. Do you see where I’m going with this? These "rights" that you mention are full of very important ifs and buts that you don’t mention.
As to your questions, I follow no religion, but I do believe in a higher power.
Um Huda- I appreciate the seriousness with which you approached your answer and the time and thought that most have gone into it. A couple of years ago I might have written something similar. I would just encourage you to realize that you are in effect embracing inferiority by your statements. And in order to do so, you have convinced yourself that these statements of inferiority are somehow to your benefit. Did it occur to you that while the man does much for the wife, the wife also does much for the man and that she can certainly take care of herself if need be? She is NOT so hormonal that she can’t do that, or pray on her period (which BTW, IS referred to as a disease in the Arabic Quran), or be a leader. You have bought into a certain stereotype about how women are so fully that you ignore the reality of the world around you. You justify the idea that women are the majority of the dwellers in hell by saying that they gossip????
Never mind that men commit the vast majority of the heinous acts in the world including murder, genocide, rape, robbery, fraud, etc. But hey, women are filling hell because of gossiping. Right.
I also enjoyed being compared to a horse. Hmm and if my husband isn’t quite doing the right thing, shall I "slap his wrist" as well? (BTW, the Quran says "idrabhon" which means beat them, not give them a little slap on the wrist.) Allah doesn’t mention that I could do it to him. Maybe I’m too hormonal for Allah to give me such authority. Oh, I can’t punish him by refusing sex either. Don’t really like the thought of those angel curses. SIGH
And what really gets me is the joy you exhibit at totally submitting to your husband because you’ll get some reward for it. This is the oldest trick in the book for social control. "Oh grin and bear it, God will reward you!" A pity "Allah" doesn’t have the men doing the grinning and bearing.
Your last comment there about husbands not taking advantage or putting her in misery to obey him is frankly wishful thinking. If a man is convinced of his superiority, and he most likely will be if he’s a Muslim, he won’t hesitate to pull in the reins on his wife (sorry, the horse analogy stuck) and prevent her from doing what she wants. After all, she is hormonal and deficient in intelligence, so what does she know about what is good for herself? He may have compassion for her, inferior creature that she is, but that won’t stop him from doing what he thinks is right for her as his charge (but likely really for his own sake). You’ll figure this out eventually though, I have a feeling.
taz- LOL. You have no idea what kind of Muslim I was, or for how long! I would be happy to give you sources for whatever I have said, but my additional comments here are already so long and it would take time on my part to do it. If you use the keywords I have mentioned in my list on an internet search, you should get the evidence you need. Otherwise, my offer still stands to help you privately.
-the right to feel she should bow down to her husband if she were to bow to a human
+ because of all the rights the husband must full fill for me, i don’t disagree with this at all. He has to spend money on me, cloth me, feed me, shelter me, be patient with me (esp while my hormones are out of place), take care of my/our children financially, see to their educations, etc, etc, etc…. If I had to do all these for someone else, it’d be kinda nice knowing that if prostration to any other than Allah was permissible, than I would be one to have that RIGHT
-the right to feel her gender is so inferior that most of the people in hell are female, like her
+ unfortunately when I see many other women in the streets yelling, or gathering together and slandering/backbiting and gossiping about other people, then yea it does kinda make me sick. Some women make me feel ashamed to be considered of the same gender
Unfortunately these women are the majority. Those that don’t see that they are behaving inappropriately are even worse.
The RIGHT that I feel like it’s MY duty to help MY FELLOW women see and realize these mistakes is a HIGH one indeed.
-the right to feel she is deficient in intelligence and religion because her prophet said she is
+ My prophet, The Messenger of God said it and he is known as the Truthful. Even by his enemies. So I assume anyone who denies the Prophet (pbuh) would agree that he is HONEST.
It’s not a secret that women are CONTROLLED by their emotions. That’s why we would make lousy leaders. YET GREAT mothers~! lol.
I can’t always make the best decisions because I let my heart get the best of me many times. And I do not pray or fast during my period nor does any other Muslim women. Deficient in my religion and intelligence. YET it is MY RIGHT that I greatly and gratefully accept that I am receiving rewards the WHOLE TIME!!!
http://www.beautifulislam.net/women/women_men_catchup.htm
-the right to obey her husband, even if it brings her much sadness and longing in life because he refuses to allow her to do what she wants
+ I feel very sorry for the parents who are not respected or obeyed by their children. They sacrifice so much for them for so long out of a love and longing for their lives, and yet the child doesn’t and can’t reciprocate back that feeling EVER! The husband does so much for the wife and it is indeed his RIGHT to be obeyed. A wife that doesn’t indeed sets up nothing but misery in their marriage and lives. It is MY RIGHT to accept this responsibility and to do it with love and endurance and knowing that I’ll be receiving a great reward from my Lord and great respect from my husband. NO husband who sees obedience and respect from his wife would ever think of putting or letting her go through any misery. Rather he would spoil her more than any other husband would.
MY RIGHT.
-the right to get beaten if she behaves "badly"
+ It IS my RIGHT that there are rules and guides to this. Alhamdulellah. It’s not my right nor any woman’s right to get beaten the way we see in many western produced or influenced films. It is ALSO my RIGHT that my husband should care enough to guide me and correct me. Since he ALREADY warned me, verbally, and emotionally and I still didn’t get the message, than hey yea give me a slap on the wrist so I can finally get the message if I’m that stubborn. Don’t you beat your horse if he doesn’t get the idea that *tck tck means he should move, and then when you use your body signals whatever you may have trained him to identify and still doesn’t you give him a light slap in the side, right? Important to understand YOUR RIGHTS.
-the right to not pray to her Creator for a quarter of the time because she is "dirty" and has a "disease"
+ My RIGHT that I don’t have to fast nor pray during my period. Hormones don’t always let me think straight and I am GRATEFUL that Allah has made it EASY on women. At the same TIME I am still being rewarded! OH YEA, MY SWEET RIGHTS!!! (fyi, muslims don’t consider period as a disease, rather it’s just a temporary state of impurity and after we bathe we are pure)
-the right to only have friends that her husband approves (and what if he approves no one?)
+ new right to hear about… Cool. MY RIGHT and DUTY to guard my husband and my home. If there is someone we both don’t feel comfortable to, why should they be in our home? Better yet, why should they have anything to do with our lives? Friends become a part of your life. If there is someone who I see to be a nice person, a husband my see something else or know more about her husband/family and know that this person is not a good thing in MY LIFE. MY RIGHT to be protected… from all of the obscene…. etc, etc, etc
Should I continue with MY RIGHTS, RIGHTS OF THE MUSLIM WOMAN, RIGHTS OF A FREE WOMAN, RIGHTS OF THE STRONG, THE PROUD, THE RIGHT.?